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 Post subject: Helmet with dog / lion crest
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:39 pm 
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Hello

Would anybody know what this is ???

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 Post subject: Re: Helmet with dog / lion crest
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:57 pm 
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WOW. The helmet resembles a Persian helmet from the Qajar period, but the Raupe looks French. The lion is similar to the one used by the British Inniskilling Dragoons but it was never mounted that low.

I can venture a guess: The helmet was Persian and captured by the French and refitted for their purposes. After that it was again retaken by the British and was given to the U.S. where it was refitted for the American Kennel Club???

In other words --- not a clue.

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 Post subject: Re: Helmet with dog / lion crest
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:51 pm 
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One point to remember is that Qajar helmet - like the Egyptian Khedive era helmets and cuirass - were made in France. I would venture it could be a helmet made in France for export to another country. The lion was the symbol of the Qajar Dynasty of Persia, so that is a distinct possibility.


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 Post subject: Re: Helmet with dog / lion crest
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:00 pm 
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This is a Persian helmet from the 12 century. Maybe the other one was meant to evoke a similar style:

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 Post subject: Re: Helmet with dog / lion crest
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:33 pm 
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Truly a unique ugly beast .

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 Post subject: Re: Helmet with dog / lion crest
PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:27 am 
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Thanks for your comments
I tend to believe that this helmet is a genuine one, not a theatrical creation.
Persian maybe...

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 Post subject: Re: Helmet with dog / lion crest
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:37 pm 
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michmuch wrote:
Thanks for your comments
I tend to believe that this helmet is a genuine one, not a theatrical creation.
Persian maybe...

Brgds

JM


do you have any shots of the back/top crest, as this looks to have held a horse tail, as well the base/rim and inside, are there holes along the base?


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 Post subject: Re: Helmet with dog / lion crest
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:51 am 
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ukturkcollector wrote:
michmuch wrote:
Thanks for your comments
I tend to believe that this helmet is a genuine one, not a theatrical creation.
Persian maybe...

Brgds

JM


do you have any shots of the back/top crest, as this looks to have held a horse tail, as well the base/rim and inside, are there holes along the base?


Looking at the photo you have, it looks like there are some holes along the bottom rim. This looks to be the metal skull/top of an helmet that was attached to a body made from leather, supporting a fur or cloth turban.
There was likely a horse tail hanging from the crest - is there a roll-bar attachment there?
Overall, suggest Indian, either pre-mutiny, or post Raj palace guards company.


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 Post subject: Re: Helmet with dog / lion crest
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:47 am 
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Hello
This helmet does not belong to me
It was offered for sale on the internet but I can't find the link anymore, sorry
But otherwise yes, it was clearly meant to receive a tail in French style, and probably had a lower leather band attached to it.
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 Post subject: Re: Helmet with dog / lion crest
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:49 am 
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I finally found it, here it is

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/51 ... a-lion-and


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 Post subject: Re: Helmet with dog / lion crest
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:48 pm 
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michmuch wrote:


I read the advertisement and I feel confident that I can say that this is not from the Napoleonic Wars.
I believe that the early Indian idea merits investigation. That could be entirely possible.

John :)


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 Post subject: Re: Helmet with dog / lion crest
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:25 pm 
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Based on the photos on the auction site I see a French design and I do think it was for export to Persia during the Qajar Dynasty. The shape is similar to the Qajar helmet I own and the lion remains and important motif for Persia. I'm not seeing an Indian connection with this helmet.


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