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 Post subject: Cleaning A Prussian General's Wappen
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:43 pm 
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This ofcourse is the wappen from the generals helme that I am working on at present. This is the most heavily corroded, patinated wappen that I have ever seen. Consequently, I thought that it deserved a separate posting. There are 2 major concerns,....getting the corrosion off without affecting the gilding and second protecting the enamel of the Garde star. The worst corrosion and I don't usually use that word is found on the circular trichter top that screws into the column, the spine and the upper half of the wappen. It is like whatever caused this, came from above the helmet.....shining down perhaps?? I wonder if this has anything to do with the federbusch?? :eek: Anyway, I quoted the owner a cost based on 5hrs work to clean all fittings, I am already 4 hrs into the wappen alone and have not touched the chin scales yet...no, I am not looking for more money. The wappen is still not completely cleaned and I am using the brass clock cleaning solution and Hagerty's to try and slowly clean things up. The worst corrosion had a green tinge to it which I have never seen before. As always, some pictures to back up the words. Let's refresh our memories with some pics of what the fittings looked like in the beginning:

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Pay close attention to the trichter top...note the grey/green colour, that stuff is rough to the touch.

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The visor trim and chin scales have the normal hundred year patina that we are all used to.

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A close up of the wappen and again, we see that grey/green patina going across the top of the wappen cutting it in half. Look closely at the star rays, the top ones are greenish, the bottom ones are not. You can even see a difference in the white metal circle, top green, bottom, not. The bottom half of the wappen and stern have cleaned up normally using the methods mentioned. The top half has proved to be a real Bitch, and is still not done! I am convinced that this has something to do with the federbusch. The line between heavy corrosion and normal patina goes right where the feathers would hang down.

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The spine, heavy patination but this has cleaned up nicely. Continued.....

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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning A Prussian General's Wappen
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:08 pm 
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cant wait to see the after pics
keep on rubbing i would say
what exactley do you use to clean the brass
i used in the past somme sort accid mixed with sand and even heavy coroded things came out clean
oxidised cartrides that were meany years in water came out bright and shiny
this is a fine exercise for those arm muscles :D

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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning A Prussian General's Wappen
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:17 pm 
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I am using the antique brass clock solution.....acetone, ammonia, water and Dove liquid soap. I soak the wappen and fittings in this. I am using Hagerty silver foam on the wappen after the soaking. These are very gentle cleaners so it takes time.

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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning A Prussian General's Wappen
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:18 pm 
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Looking forward to seeing this rare beast brought back to life under your gifted hand! :thumb up:


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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning A Prussian General's Wappen
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:20 pm 
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Here are the pics of what the wappen and fittings look like after cleaning, this has taken many hours of soaking and scrubbing. I am still not satisfied as you know how I like things to be perfect. However, there comes a time when I have to accept that this is the best that I can do.
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There are still some brown speckles of patiation on the upper half of the wappen where the heavy oxidation occurred but after 6 hrs of cleaning this is a good as it gets.
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One half of the scales before cleaning. You can see the obvious line of heavy oxidization where the feathers rested on the upper half of the scales. This line was present on the wappen, scales and bosses whatever the feathers touched. The oxidization removed/dissolved any gilding from these areas, so all of the grey/green areas shown in the before pics have lost gilding.
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The scales after cleaning.

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Cleaned, wappen and fittings. Everything has been cleaned and I am ready to restitch at last.
PS....The small eagle centre button was put back in the proper vertical position.

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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning A Prussian General's Wappen
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:23 pm 
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this is a diffrece that 's for sure
just tiny detail the center is within suum cuique is hanging a little of center
not to judge you or anyting :wink:
if i had to clean these i would be pleased with that result
you did wel

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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning A Prussian General's Wappen
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:11 pm 
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I saw that as well Jonas, it is fixed now.

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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning A Prussian General's Wappen
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:57 pm 
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Hi, I am new to this hobby and I have a felt pickelhaube, which I wish to know if it is Ok to clean it.
Usually I do not clean my Iron Crosses I leave them with any Patina they come with.
any recommendations are welcome and appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning A Prussian General's Wappen
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:13 pm 
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Your felt pickelhaube has a BEAUTIFUL natural patina finish, I would not touch it at all. I saw the other pictures you posted on another forum, the brass on yours is just fine and original.


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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning A Prussian General's Wappen
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:28 pm 
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I agree, your Prussian filz helme looks great as is, I would not clean/polish those fittings. Welcome to the forum.

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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning A Prussian General's Wappen
PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:43 am 
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Thank You ALL for your useful advice.
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