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 Post subject: Khedive Guard Helmet Project
PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:38 am 
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A few years ago I bought an Egyptian Khedive Guard helmet that had seen better days. It came from London and according to the seller his grandfather purchased it in 1919 in Cairo, it went in a box and was forgotten until 2011.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:42 am 
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I won this other helmet at auction:
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This is a major step up but the helmet has had an repair. The dome is in two pieces. What is strange is that it has the same markings "XXXV" as all the brass parts and the body of my other helmet. So maybe this was a period repair, but I don't know. My feeling is the helmet was damaged and someone did a poor repair.

My plan is to clean up the first body, use the parts from the second helmet and have one much nicer helmet. There are a few problems that I've already encountered. The hangers the chainmail can't be removed, so I will have to make something close. The second problem is a bigger one. Not all the parts are exactly interchangeable. I am going to continue to clean the first body and see where I am at. I've already done a bath of Evapo-Rust and it is looking good. I may want to give it a second bath and then see if I can polish up the body, and go from there.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:30 pm 
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Very cool project. Did you get the second helmet at the auction in LV a couple of weekends back? I noticed there was one for sale there...

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Arran wrote:
Very cool project. Did you get the second helmet at the auction in LV a couple of weekends back? I noticed there was one for sale there...


I did get it at that auction. There were two and this was the one I won. I actually bid on this one because it came with a second helmet, which will be a second project this summer, maybe fall. It was sold as Egyptian but it is in fact Tibetan. I won't do the Evapo-Rust treatment and will keep the patina instead. That helmet will need the scale neck curtain to be put back together. It should be a nice helmet when all is said and done.


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 Post subject: Re: Khedive Guard Helmet Project
PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:58 pm 
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Great stuff Peter, I lost out on all my bids in that auction.

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Here is the restoration efforts for my Khedive Guard helmet. I used Evapo-Rust but I didn't want to over polish. I wanted this to have the look of 100+ year old patina on bare metal. I did polish the brass and it is a bit more than I wanted, but I think the result is still pretty good. I haven't tried to tackle creating a new liner. Maybe another time.

Still, I think this displays VERY well considering the two helmets that I began with this week.

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You obviously see a difrence in now and then so i like the now situation

Must say that i have never seen sutch a helmet before

In what period where these helmets in use or easyer said how old are these helmets exactley

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 Post subject: Re: Khedive Guard Helmet Project
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:07 am 
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kaiser wrote:
You obviously see a difrence in now and then so i like the now situation

Must say that i have never seen sutch a helmet before

In what period where these helmets in use or easyer said how old are these helmets exactley


Thank you Jonas. These helmets were used in the latter half of the 19th century. These were made in France for the Khedive, the de facto ruler of Egypt. The word essentially would be the same as "Viceroy" and was a term adopted by Muhammad Ali Pasha - who became the semi-autonomous (independent) ruler of Egypt yet still a vassal to the Ottoman Empire.

The backstory is that during Napoleon's invasion of Egypt the ruling Mamluk military caste was defeated - and the Ottoman's sent troops from the Balkans led by Muhammad Ali Pasha (a Muslim from Albania). Muhammad Ali seized control of the country, and declared himself ruler of Egypt, quickly consolidating an independent local powerbase. The Ottomans attempted to have him killed, but when that failed the Sublime Porte in Constantinople officially recognized Muhammad Ali as Pasha and Wāli (Governor) of Egypt. Muhammad Ali declared himself "Khedive," a title adopted by his successors and then recognized by the Ottomans.

So that is how the title and rule came about. Under the Khedive the semi-autonomous state of Egypt allowed the French and British to build the Suez Canal, and during this time Cairo became a more modern city. It had street lights before Paris, upgraded the sewers and generally was becoming more "European" influenced. With this influence from France the Khedive adopted more Western style uniforms and this included this style of helmet.

It was used from the 1860s to circa 1900.

Here are more discussions about the Khedive's armor and helmets:
http://www.pickelhaubes.com/bb/viewtopi ... =23&t=8973

And some more images:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/7881368073301523/


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:12 am 
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Nice piece of history lesson

Again something i have learned today

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:54 pm 
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Your restoration job looks great! That auction was full of gems...I got several RARE Imperial tunics for less than 10 cents on the dollar...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:12 pm 
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Arran ;
How about sharing please sharing photos of your rare Imperial
tunics that you got at the auction ? Or least maybe a list .
Did you get any of the Prussian Grenadier Regiments 1 thru 12 ?
I am looking for Officers waffenrocks G R 3 : G R 6 & G R 9
also looking for enlisted Grenadier waffenrocks
all except 5 ; 6 & 12
enlisted for me are hard to find
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:01 pm 
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Beautiful collection. I love the older stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Khedive Guard Helmet Project
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I don't have them in hand yet, but I got 2 Prussian General's parade tunics, 2 GdC officer's Koller's, and a red GdC gala tunic...couldn't believe the selection and prices! Almost everything was misidentified...

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Arran ;
Are the Generals the regular Generals tunics
or could they be a General assigned to one regiment ?
A la Suite or Chef ?

The red G d C gala is a real prize

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 Post subject: Re: Khedive Guard Helmet Project
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The Generals' tunics are the pre-1909 type with the fully embroidered cuffs and collar. I don't want to hijack this interesting thread, so I'll post them separately when they arrive...

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Arran ;
Many thanks
I will look forward to seeing them .
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 Post subject: Re: Khedive Guard Helmet Project
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:10 pm 
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Hi Peter,

Great helmet. I am trying to restore one at the moment. I was wondering if you have any spare parts from the second helmet? I am particularly after rosaces and chin scales.

Please PM me if you have any spares.

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