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 Post subject: Prussian Garde Helmet for Restoration. Need help and advice.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:16 pm 
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Hello everyone on pickelhaubes.com.

My name is Trevor and I have just found my first Pickelhaube in a junk shop in New England. The price was a total steal, so even though I am an orders and medals collector, I decided to take the plunge and give myself a fun Autumn project learning about and restoring this helmet to some semblance of its former beauty.

Let me post the photos. Here is the first photo I took, exactly as it looked when I got it home that afternoon:

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I believe (from what a friend on WAF told me) that this is an Eigetumsstück for a Guard Train Battalion (rounded chinscales). Did I understand his post properly?

When I finally got back to New York City, I snapped more detailed photos, forgetting to include the chinscales:


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:23 pm 
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The side post is missing on one side, and all the thread is gone:
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I believe someone has secured the (broken) spine with a modern brass screw through the vent hole. Right?
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One view of the inside:
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So... you can see that I have a lot of work in front of me.

Let me reiterate that I am a complete novice when it comes to Pickelhaubes. I intend to attempt a restoration of this, and I joined this forum in the hopes of getting help.



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I have a few preliminary questions:

1. Exactly what am I missing here? Is this a complete list?

    • Side post(s)
    • Korkade
    • New (unbroken) spine with vent
    • Liner

2. Should I treat the leather with some cream? I have some high-quality leather treatment I use on my Limmer hiking boots. Will this hurt or help it?

3. Should re-stitching the visors etc. be the first step? Or the last step?

4. Recommendations for cleaning up the spike and Wappen?

I'm sure I will have dozens more questions as the project continues, and I will update with progress.

I am grateful to you all for any attention and help you can give me.

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Hi Trevor,
Nice, relatively straightforward restoration project. We have on the forum an expert restorer who can give tons of advice.
As of me I would say:
- Stitching first, by hand through original holes of course
- ABSOLUTELY NOTHING on the liner. You are lucky it has retained its original light tan colour, do not spoil it...
- Very light cleaning of metal fittings. The patina looks nice. No Brasso polishing!
- My recipe for cleaning removable metal parts, like the front plate, is freshly squeezed lemon juice and a soft toothbrush. It does wonders to clean grime, and totally respects the finish, but I am not even sure you need this. Soapy water may be enough.
- You may not have to change the rear spine; just put it back in shape and of course get rid of the ugly screw.
- Side posts are available as copies but originals are not rare
- The trickiest part should be to put the shell back in shape, if you want to. For this I would ask a specialist
Good luck! Post a picture of chinscales if you can.
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Hi Bruno,

Thank you for your very good advice.

On WAF I was told that Brian Loree was the man to talk to about restitching. I joined here hoping to find him... it wasn't that hard as it seems this is his forum. So I hope Brian will spare a word or two of advice for me.

I sort of thought to do this project on my own, so I was going to take a crack at stitching it myself. Anyone have good advice about what kind of needle and thread I should buy? I imagine it must require some thickish thread and a specific needle?

I definitely want to block the shell and remedy the sinking in the top center. My thought was to suspend the helmet from its spike and let gravity do the work for me. Is that a crazy idea? As you can plainly see, I need help... desperately.

With regards to your cleaning advice for the fittings: you've correctly guessed that I do not want to polish this thing up til it shines. I love the cracked and faded look of the entire thing. Rather like an old car that is restored to perfect driving condition but left a bit rusty and worn looking, I want to maintain all the age of this helmet -- all the crazing and cracking and patina -- but get it solid as a rock with stitching and fittings.

If anyone can recommend a good place for M91 side posts I would be grateful. I'd like good clean originals.

Thanks again for your help Bruno.

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Welcome to the forum Trevor. The first step is to remove all brass fittings being careful not to break the prongs which are bent back into the shell to hold them on. The best tools to use for this are a pairing knife, a small pair of curved needle nose pliers and a straight blade screw driver bit. The screw driver bit comes from one of those that has multiple bits stored in the handle for dealing with different screws. You use this bit because anything else has a handle and cant fit in the helmet shell. You use the knife first to pry up the prongs a little then the blade bit to pry further. Last the pliers to grab the prongs and squeeze them together.
If you take off the spike, use a pencil or marker to make an "F" where the front hole is on the underside of the spike base. Many times the base and shell have collapsed a bit or bent a bit over the last 100 yrs. This will make sure you can match these up.
I recommend now that you go over all the restoration posts that I have made on the forum and see what is involved. One of the earliest posts explains how moisture is put back into the helmet so you can block the top back into place, much faster than hanging from the spike. :)
I would also put the helmet on a head form, so as to maintain shape during and after the restoration. If using a styrofoam head form, I put a plastic bag over it and fasten with an elastic so the liner does not stick to it.
As to the restitch, of both visors, I would leave it to someone with experience, it is not a job for a beginner especially, since this is a private purchase helmet with many more finer stitches then an issued piece. It all has to be done by hand, using proper 100% cotton thread. You bought it for a "steal", save yourself time, lots of aggravation and the possibility of screwing up...... spend the money. Email me (brian.loree@gmail.com) and I will give you a quote. I can also give you the name of another restorer to contact. Regards, Brian

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Hi Brian,

Thank you for weighing in here, and for your excellent advice. Most of this information I've already emailed to you, but I'll copy it here in the interest of keeping the thread updated:

There is not a single intact stitch that I can see on this helmet. I took photos, but both visors are completely loose so there is really no way to see how they are supposed to fit together. The rear visor was attached only with the spine, the front only with the two brass fittings on either end.

I've removed all the furniture from the helmet per your instructions, photographed and tagged everything. It all came off cleanly with no broken tabs thanks to your guidance.

The spine is broken in every place except the tab where it attaches to the rear visor, so when I removed the modern screw in the vent hole, the entire visor came off cleanly.

The helmet now sits in parts: the crown and front visor; the rear visor and spine; all the hardware, furniture and chinscales logged and tagged in a box.

Here as requested are photos of the chinscales. Pretty nice, complete set I think. Any issues here? Originality? Repairs required?


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Very nice scales Trevor, excellent condition. Quite often the thinner leather chin strap portion is missing on these. You scales also provide information....they are curved (convex) and therefore are not infantry which are flat scales. This tells us that your helmet came from a mounted Train Battalion, all mounted units have convex scales. Your Garde Train Helmet has all the characteristics of a regular Garde Infantry helme BUT the convex scales tell us.....Train. These troops were part of the logistics organization needed to supply a modern army in the field. They rode horses/drove wagons and vehicles bringing in supplies so thus convex cavalry style scales on your helmet. Sorry.....just re read your original post, you already knew this. :?

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As an example, here is another one Trevor. This one belonged to one-year volunteer Rabe, 2nd company, Garde Train battalion.

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Thank you Brian and Bruno for the posts.

Bruno, nice helmet. Is it restored? Or did you find it like that?

Anyway, here is some progress on mine. Blocking done thanks for the excellent instructions found here.


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I've got one more general question:

I am tempted to rub some high-quality leather treatment cream into the shell and visors.

Is this a bad or a good idea?

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Streptile wrote:
Thank you Brian and Bruno for the posts.

Bruno, nice helmet. Is it restored? Or did you find it like that?

Anyway, here is some progress on mine. Blocking done thanks for the excellent instructions found here.


Exactly as found about 17 years ago. Absolutely no restoration. I even never undid the chinscales, which have left a deep print in the visor.


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Streptile wrote:
I've got one more general question:

I am tempted to rub some high-quality leather treatment cream into the shell and visors.

Is this a bad or a good idea?

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I would say no, don't, but since you do not follow my advice I suppose you will do it right away :D


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Look very closely at the scales.

The top link is simply a piece of brass sheet without a "sandwich" of leather between two pieces of brass.
Isn't this a bad sign?

If mounted troop scales were made this way during the period, why would it have been necessary to make the M94 posts with a slightly wider gap to accommodate thicker top links on the scales?

These scales look very much like the ones marketed by I.M.A. of New Jersey. Check out the shape of the scales and the way they are aligned.

The buckle is put on backwards, too. Just like the ones here:
http://www.ima-usa.com/german-wwi-picke ... cales.html
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Very nice scales Trevor, excellent condition. Quite often the thinner leather chin strap portion is missing on these. You scales also provide information....they are curved (convex) and therefore are not infantry which are flat scales. This tells us that your helmet came from a mounted Train Battalion, all mounted units have convex scales. Your Garde Train Helmet has all the characteristics of a regular Garde Infantry helme BUT the convex scales tell us.....Train. These troops were part of the logistics organization needed to supply a modern army in the field. They rode horses/drove wagons and vehicles bringing in supplies so thus convex cavalry style scales on your helmet. Sorry.....just re read your original post, you already knew this. :?


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Dear God, DO NOT ADD THAT LEATHER CREAM.....your helmet already has an awesome natural finish, there is no need for it. If you add that leather cream your helmet will end up looking like all those greasy ones you see for sale on Ebay.co.uk... :)


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I would say no, don't, but since you do not follow my advice I suppose you will do it right away :D

I was asking myself: what advice did I not follow of yours? I guess it was to have an expert block the shell...? But I did ask an expert: I asked Brian for advice. So I have taken your advice, I think. And tonight I plan to take your advice about cleaning the furniture lightly with soapy water.

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Dear God, DO NOT ADD THAT LEATHER CREAM.....

...and I shall take your advice too.

I definitely do not want this helmet to look "restored." I love the cracked and crazed look of it. If I had found one like Bruno's, I'd be thrilled. But I found this one, I will respect its age. I like things worn in anyway.

So thank you both for your advice :thumb up:

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Look very closely at the scales... These scales look very much like the ones marketed by I.M.A. of New Jersey.

I have no insight into this question as I am too much a novice. But I will post any information or photos required... just ask. I find it a bit hard to imagine that someone put on bogus chinscales considering where I dug this thing out of, but I've learned that in this hobby, anything's possible.

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Can anyone recommend a few good websites where original parts are for sale? I am thinking about M91 side-posts, first of all, but also about chinscales if these prove to be modern.

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Ok...I am going to have to stop shooting my mouth off without really looking at things closely. On close examination, the scales are repros...the M 91 ends are not correct, the end scales are too thin, look at Bruno's helmet. The buckle is not right, too thick and the leather strap is obviously new. Sorry Trevor. I wondered initially.....both M 91 posts gone and yet the scales are there?? but, I put that out of my mind. I was not aware that repro scales were being produced by IMA. I just checked the link...that is what we are dealing with here. Second, no leather treatment on any part of the helmet. Yes anything goes in this hobby...that is why we have the forum to share and protect ourselves.

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Hi Trevor,

Glad to see you over here!

I missed on the chin scales too Brian, I didn't look close enough either.

A pair of these just sold on eBay for $236.50. I'd never seen anything like it before, and did not realize they were being made like this. They were sold by eBay seller "ye-olde-military shoppe" of Riverton, Rhode Island. Here's a link to the eBay sale for as long as it stays up: http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWI-German-Offi ... true&rt=nc

I'll post photos from the eBay site later tonite, so that we keep the images after the eBay link is no longer available.

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Here are photos of the fake chin scales that sold on eBay that are in the link above. Sadly they sold to someone for $236.50 :( :thumbsdown:

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Hey guys,

Thanks for the extra info. It's interesting, I pulled this helmet off a peg in the wall in a junk shop in tiny Wolfeboro New Hampshire for $48 (20% off $60, going out of business sale). I never could have imagined that someone would have added new-ish repro chinscales to it. For what it's worth, they were hanging off the one intact side-post (below), and barely attached to the other side with the bent prong you can see in my first post.

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But now that I think about it, I guess it does make some sense: someone had done something to this helmet to try and preserve it before I got it, as evidenced by the modern screw through the vent-hole.

Well, I'm on the hunt now for chinscales also. So if anyone can supply these parts, original, condition not terribly important, please do let me know:

• Chinscales (flat or rounded)
• M91 side-posts
• Cockades (Prussia)

You will have my gratitude (and some of my money too!).

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I agree with Pointystuff, Brian and Alan about the chinscales, Trevor. I had not looked carefully.
Therefore, since 8 infantry regiments and only one Train battalion used to wear this helmet, it is statistically very unlikely that your helmet belonged to the latter.
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Hey Trev.....no worries, you got a hell of a deal, that Wappen (helmet plate) is worth an easy $200+ let alone all the rest of the pieces and fittings. So, the main thing is to track down the M91 posts for now. This will work out, the helmet will be completed and restored, it just takes some time. All of us collectors have had to play this game...finding missing bits and pieces.

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Great helmet! When you posted it on the WAF I thought "now he said he got it for a steal" so I figured maybe 200-400 bucks but $48?!? Great start and like I said on the other forum, that money saved can go towards a professional re-stitch.

I'm very much looking forward to seeing how this project turns out. Good luck with your replacement parts hunt!


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Thanks again for all the info and support :thumb up:

The woman who sold me the helmet had no idea what it was, and I told her "Prussian Helmet" so she could write it on the receipt. You can see that I also got a "Sea Captain's Hat" but I think it's more like a parade outfit hat.

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The repro chinscales are causing me to rethink the history of this helmet. I imagined it had sat in some attic, untouched for 100 years until someone left it to the local antique shop along with boxes of his great-grandfather's "junk," only to be rediscovered by me on a random roadside stop. Very romantic idea... but I guess it's clear that this helmet had been in someone's collection before.

Funny the stories we tell ourselves, isn't it?

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Hard to figure this out and unlikely we will ever do so. Any collector would know the true value so eliminate that...a wife/widow, someone cleaning out a house perhaps? I mean if you were a desperate collector looking for a spine or visor trim, you might pay $48 each for those bits but $48 for the whole thing?? There is no logic to this but you lucked out Trevor, and you now have a collector story of discovering "treasure" in a junk shop. This should keep you touring junk shops, Sally Ann's and Good Will for the next 20 years! :D

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I decided that I would like to try and give the stitching a go myself. I think it turned out okay, but I will say that I will never again do this myself!

I spoke with Brian on the phone for about an hour before starting, and he helped me with a ton of emails and tips in the week leading up to the stitching. I could not possibly have attempted this without his help, and all the hard-won insights he shared with me. He sent me the correct thread and pins, and walked me through getting the correct tools, cleaning the holes (an enormously time consuming and crucial step), where to start, how to stitch, what to do in the case of a problem, how to terminate the thread, how to finish, tighten, everything.

So a HUGE thank you to Coach Brian -- anything I did right was thanks to him, and any mistakes I made were my own.

Here is a photo I snapped of us together over the weekend, prepping for the Big Stitch:

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And now for some process photos...

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Let me repeat that there was basically no original thread in this entire helmet, including in the side panels.

So, first thing to stitch were the panels. There was no issue lining up the holes there, so I thought it would be an easy way in. I prepped all the holes and followed Brian's meticulous instructions. No thread breakage yet.

Side panel one:
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Next came the front visor, totally detached except for the trim holding it on:
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About five stitches pulled through in the very front of the visor, seen here in the middle of photo:
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Not much to be done about that, and the rest were holding pretty firm... for the first night.

I went to bed at about 3am late on Monday (Tuesday morning), having spent about 8 hours prepping the holes on Saturday night, and another 4 hours stitching on Monday night.

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Tuesday night now, and time for the rear visor, pinned to get the hole placement correct:
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Stitching went pretty well but I had a thread breakage. Luckily Brian coached me on what to do when that happened, so I wrapped it back through the holes per his instructions and continued:
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Now very small pieces of finish started chipping off. Stitching these things requires a very, very light touch, and I was probably a bit too rough, I'm not sure. Here you can see that the finish just where the spine-seam meets the middle of the visor has fallen away:
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The stitching done, I proceeded to the final step, the shoe polish, just along the stitch line. This is another Brian innovation that proved invaluable to the overall appearance of the work.

Some pics from late last night:


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One final problem, which probably requires no solution:

During the stitching of the rear visor, quite a few more stitches pulled through from the front visor. I think this was due to my rough handling of the shell during stitching. This job requires a ton of patience and a very gentle touch, something I guess I lacked a bit. So the front visor, while still sturdy enough, has about 20% of its stitches -- or, more correctly, 20% of the small, 100-year-old leather bits between the stitches -- broken. This is something I wish I did not do. But as Brian has repeatedly assured me, any time you are dealing with something this difficult, quirky and old, there are going to be complications.

Over all I am happy with the way this turned out. It took me about 16-17 hours of work, not counting all the time getting the tools and preparing the space, etc.

Again, I need to thank Brian for his expert guidance, without which I would not have even known how or where to begin.

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You have done extremely well young Rocky! You are a true champion for having got through that marathon title bout :thumb up: Thanks for the appreciation, walking you through this forced me to think about the whole process and what I have learned over the years, I enjoyed it. I love that pic taken of us by your wife, it was cool to be in the Big Apple once again. A great job Trevor!

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Bravo Trevor!

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Thanks coach :thumb up:

I really appreciate your help.

And thanks Badener!

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Another antique helmet preserved for posterity via knowledge shared and applied. Cool. =D>


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Terrific result! Well done for putting the effort in ( I know I wouldn't have the patience) and well done to Brian for sharing his hard-earned knowledge so freely =D>


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Many thanks Glenn and Pointy.

Stay tuned for the rest o' the resto...

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when is your graduation
you earn the same spot as brian since you gave it a go with the restoration
and for what i can see is looks magnificent
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Thanks for the encouragement Kaiser :thumb up:

So here's the update on this helmet. After the stitching was done, I was on the hunt for the parts. I saw a pair of cockades for sale on eBay that looked good. Brian confirmed they would be a good match for me helmet, and also told me that they were being offered by Randy at Age of Kings, a name I know from various other posts here in the restoration section. So I won the cockades and sent an email to Randy asking him about the other parts I needed:

• M91 side posts
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He suggested I send him my spine to see if he had an unbroken one, which I did. He didn't find a good match but was good enough to solder prongs on the reverse of mine while he had it. He also was not able to find chinscales for me. But yesterday Randy's package arrived and inside were the cockades, the repaired spine and a chinstrap with original fittings and replaced leather. Basically everything I needed to put this baby back together.

I spent the day yesterday doing just that. Here are the results. Overall:

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Thanks again to everyone for commenting and helping me, especially to Brian and Randy.

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Just a couple more beauty shots.

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Love the crazing:
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that came out nice
you cant see the diffrence
you've past for the exam
that helmet can go for the next 100 years
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Thanks Kaiser. I'm happy with it too :thumb up:

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Thank you!

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Nicely done indeed!

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Great job Trevor, congratulations! =D> :bravo:

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Wow! That is very good! Unfortunately I have lost the dexterity and brain-hand coordination to do something similar to the "old Prussian lady". Only simple jobs can be performed by muggins 'ere! But to you, Trevor: hat off! :bravo:

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Very interesting Thread, thank you for reactivating it, Jaap :wink:
The topic with the Leathercream is something I asked myself too....
But I got Ballistol-Oil, an oil which was developed by the wish of the Emperor. He wanted an Universal-Oil for maintenance of all Leather-Parts, all kinds of Metal, for Weapons and lubric. of technical Systems. It was (is) also usefull to care the Skin :D
This Oil is available today in the original settings. Would it be useful to care the old Pickelhaubes with this Oil against dehydration or would you advise against the use?

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Very interesting Thread, thank you for reactivating it, Jaap :wink:
The topic with the Leathercream is something I asked myself too....
But I got Ballistol-Oil, an oil which was developed by the wish of the Emperor. He wanted an Universal-Oil for maintenance of all Leather-Parts, all kinds of Metal, for Weapons and lubric. of technical Systems. It was (is) also usefull to care the Skin :D
This Oil is available today in the original settings. Would it be useful to care the old Pickelhaubes with this Oil against dehydration or would you advise against the use?


I have definitively and irremediably banned the use of any oily ointment on helmets, inside and outside. For me it is useless, can be harmful and definitively looks and feels bad. It can also compromise the resale value.
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