Feldgrau Schirmmutzes

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dave mosher

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Wie gehts all:

I'm hoping to start a continuing thread on feldgrau visor caps. Here are a few to start it off.

Dave

Officer's Schirmmutze for Kurassier-Regt. Graf Gessler (Rheinisches) Nr. 8 created in 1815, garrisoned in Deutz and part of the VIII.AK.



Officer's Schirmmutze for Kurassier-Regt. von Driesen (Westfalisches) Nr. 4 created in 1717, garrisoned in Munster and part of the VII.AK.

 
Here is an officer's Feldmutz worn for all of the thirteen Jager-Regt. zu Pferde.



This is an officer's Feldmutz worn for all Jager units, but with the specific state cockade indicating Westfalisches Jager-Batl. Nr. 7 (Schaumburg-Lippe).

 
Geeez.... Dave where are you getting these made?? Fantastic repros!! Actually, the above was meant as a compliment. The condition of these two originals is just superb. Keep them coming Dave. Brian
 
Thanks, Brian. :D There are several colors/piping combinations that are used for a variety of units. The black velvet-banded, red-piped caps are used for officers Feldartillerie, Fussartillerie, Pioniere and Verkehrstruppen.




This color combination was also used for 3. Badisches Dragoner-Regt. Prinz Karl Nr. 22.

 
Here are a couple more color/piping combinations used for several cavalry units.

This is a officer's Feldmutz for 2. Badisches Dragoner-Regt. Nr. 21. This color is actually a light (lemon) yellow and was also used for Dragoner-Regt. von Bredow (1. Schlesisches) Nr. 4. Following the M-1916 regulations, this color was also used for both the 1. and 2. Bavarian Schweres Reiter-Regts (previously was red).



This is the officer's Feldmutz identified to Major v. Luck of Dragoner-Regt. Konig (2. Wurttemberg) Nr. 26. Notice the much more pronouced "golden yellow" color which also was used for Dragoner Regts. Nrs. 8 and 16, 1. and 3. Garde-Ulanen Regts, and Ulanen Regts. 11, 15 and 20.

 
A couple more color/piping combinations used for several cavalry units.


This an reserve officer's Feldmutz for either 7. Chevaulegers-Regt. Prinz Alfons or the 8. Chevaulegers-Regt. Other units which use this color are Ulanen Regt. Nrs. 9, 13 and 17, and Dragoner-Regt. Nrs. 9, 10, 24 and 25. See-Batl (with just a single national cockade on the band) also used a white band and piping.




This an reserve officer's Feldmutz for Oldenburgisches Dragon-Regt. Nr. 19. The band and piping is in black velvet for officers, and was also used for Dragoner-Regts. Nrs. 2 (with the tradition eagle between the cockades), 6 and 14.

 
Akkk! Are those ever gorgeous! :love10: :love10: :love10: :love10: :love10: GAWD I love Schirmmützen! Do you have any M15s Dave? Or only M10s?
 
Thanks, Tony! :D The only "text book" M-1915 (ie. green painted visor) I still have is the Baden Dragon-Regt. Nr. 21 cap above. The buttons, leather visor and erzatz chinstrap all started out as green, but the color of the visor has turned to a dirty browish-olive so it doesn't show very well. I certainly like the M-1915 caps, but you just don't see that many of them.

Dave
 
Here are a couple more caps with color/piping which are used for several units.

Here is the standard red-piped officer's Feldmutz used for MANY units, including generals, all infantry regiments, 1. and 2. Garde-Ulanen Regts. and Ulanen-Regt. Nrs. 1, 2, 3,4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 19, and Landwehr cavalry



This is a reserve officer's Schirmmutz for either Ulanen-Regt. Nr. 10 or Ulanen-Regt. Nr. 14. This color was also used for the War Ministry and General Staff

 
Arghhhhhh!!!!! That 19th Oldenburg Dragoon officer schirmmutze would look so sweet along side my 19th Officer pickelhaube! Brian
 
For a bit of a nuiance, here is an officer's Schirmmutz which was only used for either Litthauisches Ulanen-Regt. Nr. 12 or Ulanen-Regt. Hennigs von Treffenfeld (Altmarkisches) Nr. 16. The identifier is the lack of any piping on the bottom of the light blue band.

 
Dave,

Is there any significance to the fact that some of these are "crusher" style and others :cool: are very tall? It also seems as though one is sort of in the middle -- --
 
Joe,

the Schirmmütze is the high stiff form of cap and was the parade dress cap variant whereas the "crusher" version was the Feldmütze worn in the field.

Regards
Glenn
 
Glennj said:
the Schirmmütze is the high stiff form of cap and was the parade dress cap variant whereas the "crusher" version was the Feldmütze worn in the field.
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I must disagree with you Glenn. [-( All Schirmmütze (literally, a peak -cap) started out life being very stiff in form, both Dunkelblau and Feldgrau. If you examine the ''floppy" ones you will find the tell-tale mark left by the wire stiffener along the inside of the crown, removed to make it floppy. Either by fashion, or for field function. You will also often find stitch marks along the rear and front of the cardboard cap inside band where the spring vertical stiffeners have been removed. The only true 'crusher' is a cap made without the cardboard band inside. These can be rolled up into a ball and stuffed into a pack. Normally, (not always) these have leather visors rather than Vulcan Fiber. I have some 60+ caps, only one is a true 'crusher' made without cardboard band inside.
 
Hi Tony,

disagreement is no bad thing :D

The Schirmmützen in the thread above appear to me to be the feldgraue Schirmmützen introduced on 21 Sep 1915. The other Feldmützen with chin straps appear to be either the 1910 of 1915 pattern officers' Feldmützen depending on the peak. Its hard to imagine one of those elegant caps in the first post ending up something like those floppy varities further down. :eek:

Regards
Glenn
 
Wie gehts all:

Back from vaction. I believe that the M-1910 officer's Feldmutzes were supposed to have a stiffener only at the peak, soft sides, a black leather visor peak and a black leather chinstrap and were used throughout the war. As Glenn stated, there was also a M-1915 Schirmmutze which was introduced, and it seems whether the stiff vulcanfiber peak was painted black or green become a personal preference for officers.

Dave
 
To follow up this thread, here are a few of the distinctive husar caps with the colorful combinations which can be a bit confusing. Here is a quick primer for the feldgrau husar caps:

1. The color of the body of the pre-war caps now became the cap band for the feldgrau caps.

2. The color piping on the top/bottom/crown of the pre-war caps stayed the same.

3. The color of the band in the pre-war now became the secondary piping color above the band on feldgrau caps. However, if the color band of the prewar cap was either medium/dark blue (LGHR, HR3, HR9) or black (2LHR, HR5), no secondary double piping was added above the band on the feldgrau caps.


Here is a reserve officer's Feldmutz for the Leib-Garde-Husaren-Regt.



Here is an officer's Feldmutz for 2. Westfalisches Husaren-Regt. Nr. 11.

 
Here are a couple more double-piped husar caps. Notice the band color distinctions between them. As with the body color of the prewar caps, the the different shades of blue corresponded on the band of the feldgrau caps.

Here is an officer's Feldmutz for Husaren-Regt. Konig Humbert von Italien (1. Kurhessisches) Nr. 13.



Here is an officer's Feldmutz for Husaren-Regt. Konigin Wilhelmina der Niederlande (Hannoversches) Nr. 15

 
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