K R collection Helmets and uniforms
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KAGGR#1
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The Garde Kurassiere Koller belongs to Tony S.
Steve
Tim those loops are post 1918 added. Possibly for a 1920s/30s wedding etc. which is very common.
Khukri
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I have a question on the Überrock for Garde Kürassier Offiziere. I read that they leave the top button unbuttoned...When tailors delivered these to the young Officers the buttonhole was-standardly-sewn up. But why: the legend goes that when Kaiser Wilhelm I visited the Regiments Officers Mess the Regiments CO noticed the Kaiser had his top botton unbuttoned...Obviously he did not dare to point this out to the Kaiser...So he gesticulated his Officers to-discreetly-undo their top button...Since that day this button would never buttoned up....
-later, in the 1950ies Prinz Oskar von Preußen (1888-1958) who was a real Uniformenkunde specialst; will tell the real reason! The Garde Kürassier Überrock looked like a Medical Officers'....So something needed to be done to make the difference...
-Of course I now would like to see the button evidence.
Thank you,
Francis
-later, in the 1950ies Prinz Oskar von Preußen (1888-1958) who was a real Uniformenkunde specialst; will tell the real reason! The Garde Kürassier Überrock looked like a Medical Officers'....So something needed to be done to make the difference...
-Of course I now would like to see the button evidence.
Thank you,
Francis
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Peter B
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Neat story. Reminds me of the RAF Pilots who would apparently undo their top button if they had shot down an enemy aircraft that day during WW2. Not sure if it is true or an "urban legend".
Khukri
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Interesting!
KAGGR#1
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Interesting Tony
It would stand to reason that a soldier
that young and of that rank would not have that many medals.
Thank you for clearing that up
Steve
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Pontrest
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Tony, this is very interesting. Something I'm learning as I research this era's uniforms more is that even though there was standardization, there was still very much, individualized accoutrements when it came to some uniform items.
Mmm…. . There were multiple Clothing Regulations, with left and rights arcs that soldiers of all ranks had to adhere to. Sandy has done a marvellous service by translating many. See
Imperial German Helmet and Clothing Regulations
However after 1918 soldiers could do as they wish with their old uniforms. In the case of that GKR uniform, because of the man’s rank I would expect he probably had a wound badge perhaps a bravery award, and perhaps after 1918 some Freikorps awards. Loops added 1920 -1940? For prestigious Regiments, postwar wedding photos in Dunkelblau (pre War uniforms) are relatively common
Pontrest
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Tony, I really appreciate the reference, and I'll review it. I have one ribbon bar from WW1, and it has an Iron Cross, a service medal and some type of war service cross, so I can see something like that being attached on a tunic like this, especially like you mention in the inter-war period.
JzPf
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Steve, I remember seeing those tunics in MD’s collection when we visited him. They all went to Malcom Fisher which ended up in his book. The 7th FG koller was probably the rarest.
Dennis
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Dennis
All 3 of these were in my collection some years ago.
As you stated they went as you wrote
Steve
John Josef
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Being a feldgrau lover someone would have had to pry that 3rd Waffenrock from my cold dead hands that is if I wasn't buried in it
KAGGR#1
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J JBeing a feldgrau lover someone would have had to pry that 3rd Waffenrock from my cold dead hands that is if I wasn't buried in it
I agree, but
I don't think that I know any collector who has
been able to keep every single item that they added
to their collection. ( Maybe Mike Kramer )
Steve
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John Josef
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We all have our list of not for sale items and for me that would have been one.
I'm sure you have several items that you've had forever and would never sell.
KAGGR#1
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I remember when I was younger and would say to myself
I will never let that go
It all has a new meaning now
Steve
John Josef
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Steve my friend you bring up a great point and a great topic for discussion that would fill several pages. I've sadly seen a surge in friends and family passing which of couse makes one start to think about their own mortality and just what will happen to all our treasures when we pass.
Lucky for us the old Viking and Egyptian methods went out of style long ago.
I'll be happy if it goes to people who truly love the stuff and don't treat it like shoes thrown in a closet and my wife doesn't sell it to some jerk for peanuts.
KAGGR#1
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Yes ,Steve my friend you bring up a great point and a great topic for discussion that would fill several pages. I've sadly seen a surge in friends and family passing which of couse makes one start to think about their own mortality and just what will happen to all our treasures when we pass.
Lucky for us the old Viking and Egyptian methods went out of style long ago.
I'll be happy if it goes to people who truly love the stuff and don't treat it like shoes thrown in a closet and my wife doesn't sell it to some jerk for peanuts.
One big room all carried with us into the afterlife
centuries later, discovered and placed in a museum !
Steve