Cuirassier helmet Identification

[FRONTENAC]

Hello all,

Could you tell me if the identification of this helmet is correct? And also tell me until approximately what year(s) it was in use?

Thanks,



Germany - Deutsches Reich - M1862/67 trooper spiked helmet (Pickelhaube) from the "Kürassier-Regt. Kaiser Nikolas I. von Rußland (Brandenburgisches) Nr.6" (Brandenburg) III Armee Korps. - 1867-1889.

 

[CLOVIS 57]

With pleasure,
Yes, the identification is correct :

Prussian lobster-tailed cuirassier helmets first appeared in 1843, in a very ogival style, with a two-step visor.
In 1862, the helmet was lowered, the shell was rounded into a half-sphere at the top, the 2-step visor was narrower and the angle was less prominent on either side. Below is an old M43 lowered, but modified 67 (snap ring under cockade).

In 1867, the edging around the front (above the visor) joined that of the lobster tail, adding a small segment under each roundel.
Your helmet is an M67.

In 1889, the 2-step visor was shortened to a single fold to facilitate rifle shooting.
In 1894, the screw chinstrap is replaced by a post-side chinstrap.

In 1915, brass and nickel silver were replaced by grey steel, and the chinstrap lost its scales.

 

[Khukri]

Hello all,

Could you tell me if the identification of this helmet is correct? And also tell me until approximately what year(s) it was in use?

Thanks,



Germany - Deutsches Reich - M1862/67 trooper spiked helmet (Pickelhaube) from the "Kürassier-Regt. Kaiser Nikolas I. von Rußland (Brandenburgisches) Nr.6" (Brandenburg) III Armee Korps. - 1867-1889.

 

[KAGGR#1]

My K R 6
Steve

 

[FRONTENAC]

With pleasure,
Yes, the identification is correct :

Prussian lobster-tailed cuirassier helmets first appeared in 1843, in a very ogival style, with a two-step visor.
In 1862, the helmet was lowered, the shell was rounded into a half-sphere at the top, the 2-step visor was narrower and the angle was less prominent on either side. Below is an old M43 lowered, but modified 67 (snap ring under cockade).
View attachment 51929
In 1867, the edging around the front (above the visor) joined that of the lobster tail, adding a small segment under each roundel.
Your helmet is an M67.
View attachment 51931
In 1889, the 2-step visor was shortened to a single fold to facilitate rifle shooting.
In 1894, the screw chinstrap is replaced by a post-side chinstrap.
View attachment 51936
In 1915, brass and nickel silver were replaced by grey steel, and the chinstrap lost its scales.
View attachment 51932

Thank you very much Clovis.

Was this M67 helmet worn until 1889 and not after that date?

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Merci beaucoup Clovis.Ce casque M67 at-il été porté jusqu'en 1889 et non après cette date ?

No, not after 1889 for the “Kammer” helmets supplied by the army to the enlisted rider.

BUT :

Extra-Helm Eigentum officers' helmets retained the features of M67 officers' helmets: no post-side, but screws for securing the chinstrap, and they kept the double-step visor but at a lower height. In 1897, the Prussian cockade went to the left, and the Reichskokarde replaced it on the right. Around 1900, the shape evolved slightly, with the lobster tail becoming more vertical, and the shell more cylindrical and flattened. The tip rises above the rest as below.


The M67 Cuirassier helmet will always be worn with the single Prussian Landkokarde on the right.
After 1897, only the post-sided M94 would wear the Prussian Landkokarde on the left and the Reichskokarde on the right.

 

[FRONTENAC]

Hi,

For you, is it a M67 pickelhaube?

 

[Tony without Kaiser]

It appears to show the the crimp of the visor and screw post for chinscales. Smooth spike…I vote yes. M62/67. 20+ years of production until 1889.

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Il semble montrer le sertissage de la visière et la tige filetée pour les jugulaires. Pointe lisse… Je vote oui. M62/67. Plus de 20 ans de production jusqu'en 1889.

A little doubt, though... The visor, although with 2 steps, is very short, and the tip is very long. I'd say it's a Fähnrich Eigentum, made after 1894 (but as far as the construction details are concerned, yes, it's a M67 hull).

The double-step visor for officers and Extra-Helm Eigentum, until the Great War (with Reichskokarde on the right), is reduced in height by around
half.

 

[FRONTENAC]

A little doubt, though... The visor, although with 2 steps, is very short, and the tip is very long. I'd say it's a Fähnrich Eigentum, made after 1894 (but as far as the construction details are concerned, yes, it's a M67 hull).
View attachment 51966View attachment 51967
The double-step visor for officers and Extra-Helm Eigentum, until the Great War (with Reichskokarde on the right), is reduced in height by around
half.
View attachment 51968

Very good observation/comment! And thanks for the images.

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Here is an evolution of the visors:
M43


M62 et 67 used util 1889 :


M67 used until 1918 for Extra-Helm Officier and Eigentum :

Note that this officer's helmet was worn after 1897, with the Prussian cockade on the left and the Reichskokarde on the right.

 

[FRONTENAC]

Here is a group photo (from my collection) of the KR6 taken in 1914. Do you think that some of these cavalrymen wear a M67 helmet?

 

[CLOVIS 57]

No, only single non-angular visors, so M89-94


In the photo, from a distance, it's hard to see, but since it's an Enrolés (a simple cuirassier's saber), it can't be otherwise.

 

[FRONTENAC]

No, only single non-angular visors, so M89-94

View attachment 51989
In the photo, from a distance, it's hard to see, but since it's an Enrolés (a simple cuirassier's saber), it can't be otherwise.

Thanks again for your abservation Clovis.