Pickelhaube Markings For Beginners: The Basics

Many collectors buy officer helmets....they are prettier, more fancy with gilt stars, wappen and chin scales, silk liners and command higher prices which is all well and good. šŸ‘ However, there are no markings/ink stamps on these helmets as they were bought by the officer not by the German government. .As private purchase items, they have no markings other than a size (cm), an officer name perhaps or rarely a "royal" cypher affixed on to the silk liner. These provide very little "provenance" for the collector as especially with the Prussian helmets, you could stick any rare regimental wappen on it providing it fits....and even then holes can be enlarged. There were no grommets in the wappen holes of officer helmets so this was an easy fix for the retailer even back in the 1880's or whenever. We are in the year 2024 and I believe that most of us are savvy to the wiles of retailers....."shrinkflation" for example :( it was no different at the turn of the century in 1900. Consequently, I prefer to spend my money on well marked OR's helmets where there can be no doubt as to provenance because the markings match the helmet plate. "To each his own" B

Brian, how true and wise! (y)
Absolutely my point of view too. I only collect named officer helmets whith 100% tracked provenance.
Philippe
 
The most convenient source I use John, is the Didier Laine reference published in France but containing details in both French, German and English. This is the book that I always take with me to the SOS and was published in 1984. Unfortunately, the binding on this volume was cheaply made and the spine tears/separates from the covers. :( Every new collector should buy one of these if they see one come up for sale! šŸ‘
Merci dixmude, moi aussi!

I don't think you have to be a new collector to learn something from Mr Laines reference books I always have them handy. I would say every collector should buy one of these if they see one come up for sale if they don't already have one or two copies. ;)(y)
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Yes John those are three ā€œmust have volumesā€ for any haube collector! I have had mine for more than 4 decades, 😊
 
Hello,
I’m sorry I’m late to the party. Very informative! I have a question and would like to confirm. I have a late war M1915 Prussian Pickelhaube in the oxidized grey metal. I believe the stamp on mine says 23 R. The box I can’t read but I’m assuming it says 1916. I believe this helmet to be a 23rd infantry division helmet. Any thoughts?IMG_4688.jpegIMG_4681.jpeg
 
Welcome Josh. Your marking 23 R signifies Prussian Regiment 23…Infantry Regt. Von Winterfeldt created in 1813, based at Neise and part of the VI Army Korps. Pickelhauben do not have division markings, just Regt. and Korps.
 
Hi Josh,
Welcome to the forum.
Imo the marking indicates that the helmet is made in Bavaria in 1915. The ā€œB.D.ā€ stands for Bekleidungs Depot, and the number in front is most likely a code to indicate the manufacturer. I’m guessing it started its life as a Bavarian helmet; are there any extra holes behind the eagle?
Regards,
Lars
 
Hello Lars and Josh,
Agree with Lars, for Beckleidungs Depot, (for Bavaria) equivalent to the Prussian B.A.. The 47 would indeed be the manufacturer's code, or the code for the clothing effect, this remains to be verified.
III for the Bavarian AK number.
 
Yes two extra holes
That makes it very likely that the helmet originally had a Bavarian Wappen, and at some time this was changed to a Prussian Wappen. If it is easy you can take the Wappen off and look at the ā€œghostā€ of the Wappen, if that has the Prussian shape the current Wappen has been on the helmet for a long time, if it has the Bavarian shape then it is most likely a more recent change. A nice looking original helmet btw šŸ˜€
 
Some last comments regarding pickelhaube markings. Many collectors buy officer helmets....they are prettier, more fancy with gilt stars, wappen and chin scales, silk liners and command higher prices which is all well and good. - However, there are no markings/ink stamps on these helmets as they were bought by the officer not by the German government. They were bought from military accessory stores which specialized in providing accoutrements for this higher class of society. As private purchase items, they have no markings other than a size (cm), an officer name perhaps or rarely a "royal" cypher affixed on to the silk liner. These provide very little "provenance" for the collector as especially with the Prussian helmets, you could stick any rare regimental wappen on it providing it fits....and even then holes can be enlarged. There were no grommets in the wappen holes of officer helmets so this was an easy fix for the retailer even back in the 1880's or whenever. We are in the year 2024 and I believe that most of us are savvy to the wiles of retailers....."shrinkflation" for example :( it was no different at the turn of the century in 1900. Consequently, I prefer to spend my money on well marked OR's helmets where there can be no doubt as to provenance because the markings match the helmet plate. "To each his own" B
"To each his own" Suum quique...-
Even at leading German dealers, you can see officer's helmets with frontal piercings, and a rare plate. We are told that this trick was performed when the officer was transferred from a Prussian line regiment to a rare and prestigious regiment...-
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Hey guys I’m trying to figure out the meaning of these markings. Any clue?
 

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The yellow stampings BA VIII 1915 tells us that the helmet was accepted by the 8th Armee Korps in 1915. Germany was divided up into Armee Korps districts and each district had cavalry, artillery and infantry regiments within it. Unfortunately, I can not make out what the other stamp shows. The ink stamp up in the shell is the name of the manufacturer. There is probably a size marking in the interior as well.
 
Hi Josh,
Welcome to the forum.
Imo the marking indicates that the helmet is made in Bavaria in 1915. The ā€œB.D.ā€ stands for Bekleidungs Depot, and the number in front is most likely a code to indicate the manufacturer. I’m guessing it started its life as a Bavarian helmet; are there any extra holes behind the eagle?
Regards,
Lars
I agree, this is definitively a Bavarian stamp. I always knew, however, that BD III stands for Bavarian Division III... ?
 
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