Brunswick R92 Question? Picture post

[Gary Larson]

These are some of my Brunswick Helmets, My Question on my Helmets is mainly the skull versions posted earlier. I see that Earlier my one Helmet has appears to have a bad TK on it but I see so many other helmets that are all bad also what makes everyone's opinion bad on all TK skulls, If their not to be as notably to be exspected as one wishes as compared to others does it mean their bad? or could they have had different manufactures and made a few a different way? My Question in fact is on my Helmet posted earlier whare did the rest of the Helmet come from? It has the correct front plate? it has a Original Kokade? so why a bad skull? just asking? Whats your opinoion on these ones? Because in fact I will back any of these up with a surprising answer. Lets here what you have to say, Thanks

 

[Gary Larson]

This is the Skull from earlier helmet posted first front and Back pictures of TK, I am Impressed how they put the black cloth in with folded tabs do all fakes do that? I can see the plating lifting but they never plated skulls? just asking? Im trying to learn on this subject, Thanks

 

[Andy be Prussian]

At a first glance, they look good, but I hope someone with more experience can provide their opinion here

 

[Gary Larson]

Thank you for Opinion and I appreciate it

 

[CLOVIS 57]

This is the Skull from earlier helmet posted first front and Back pictures of TK, I am Impressed how they put the black cloth in with folded tabs do all fakes do that? I can see the plating lifting but they never plated skulls? just asking? Im trying to learn on this subject, Thanks

A simple enlargement of the obverse reveals obvious modern electroplating! (cast metal, electroplated, characteristic small spheres, blurred details, etc.) As for the reverse, the thickness of the metal and the absence of details identical to the obverse clearly demonstrate that it is a reproduction.
I think the screw threads are ISO 2000!This TK is not stamped from a sheet of nickel silver, but is cast in a mold using electrolysis.

 

[Tony without Kaiser]

Many “old collections”, were put together in the 60s 70s etc. Imperial German helmets were not valued highly, and were cheap to buy. I’ve wondered if some of these early collectors thought a skull would look cool, so they would pop the star off of an IR93, IR94, IR95, IR96 etc. and toss it in the spare parts box. Order a replica scull from catalogue sellers, and pop that skull on. This might (?) explain why we see original FUERST eagles with replica skulls on them. Just a thought.

 

[Doug B]

Whats your opinoion on these ones? Because in fact I will back any of these up with a surprising answer. Lets here what you have to say, Thanks

You posted these helmets in other threads and received opinions on them there so you've heard what some have to say. I am curious as to what your surprising answer is?

 

[Steve Nick]

Many “old collections”, were put together in the 60s 70s etc. Imperial German helmets were not valued highly, and were cheap to buy. I’ve wondered if some of these early collectors thought a skull would look cool, so they would pop the star off of an IR93, IR94, IR95, IR96 etc. and toss it in the spare parts box. Order a replica scull from catalogue sellers, and pop that skull on. This might (?) explain why we see original FUERST eagles with replica skulls on them. Just a thought.

Tony:

Funny that you should post this. Just a few minutes ago, I posted a story re. "old Collections" that you may relate to in the original thread on this topic.

I know that you put in an appearance at one or two of the Ottawa shows and, you were friends with Jim G of Montreal. He may have told you the same story.

 

[Peter B]

Tony:

Funny that you should post this. Just a few minutes ago, I posted a story re. "old Collections" that you may relate to in the original thread on this topic.

I know that you put in an appearance at one or two of the Ottawa shows and, you were friends with Jim G of Montreal. He may have told you the same story.

Jim Godefroy by any chance? I know all three of the Godefroy's, Engineer, Gunner and Intelligence officers all in that family.

 

[Gary Larson]

You posted these helmets in other threads and received opinions on them there so you've heard what some have to say. I am curious as to what your surprising answer is?

I dont know who he is, I never appear at of the big shows. Im a private collector and been collector awhile, Thanks

 

[Doug B]

I dont know who he is, I never appear at of the big shows. Im a private collector and been collector awhile, Thanks

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I am unsure of your reply to me? I believe it might have been meant for someone else?

You had said you had a surprising answer as to why the helmets / TK’s you posted are all original despite many learned opinions to the contrary (in the other threads where you posted the same helmets asking for opinions) - I had asked what that surprising answer was? If you wouldn’t mind sharing that with the forum? We are all here to learn from each other after all.

 

[Gary Larson]

Well the surprising answer seems to be that of all who has replied to myTk all said bad so they must be bad!!

 

[Doug B]

Well the surprising answer seems to be that of all who has replied to myTk all said bad so they must be bad!!

Sadly that is the case from what I have seen but still doesn’t reveal the “surprising answer” you said as to why they are not fake. Sorry to be pushing hard on this but a statement was made by you with confidence, almost a challenge, to those who have offered said opinions.

As a veteran of many a forum, I find it best that one fully discloses the history they have of a questionable item or artifact as it leads to more involvement and engagement than offering clues while withholding information.

As I’ve said in previous posts, we are all here to learn.

 

[CLOVIS 57]

At a first glance, they look good, but I hope someone with more experience can provide their opinion here

Hello Andy,
That's exactly the mistake. Never settle for a quick glance, but make sure you examine everything meticulously!!! Because the thing about fakes is that they look just like the real thing. Above all, focus on the insignia that determine the price of these prestigious helmets: the TK on the 92 JR, the 17 HR, the LeibHR, etc.; the eagle crest on the GdC and GKR; the lion crest on the Saxon carabiniere and Reiter, etc.

 

[Steve Nick]

Jim Godefroy by any chance? I know all three of the Godefroy's, Engineer, Gunner and Intelligence officers all in that family.

Yes indeed! I had the privilege of knowing and dealing with Jim, Carol and their sons over the years.

Jim and I would on occasion put on a joint display of Imperial headgear that would take up four or five tables. I miss those days.

 

[Slobo]

These are some of my Brunswick Helmets, My Question on my Helmets is mainly the skull versions posted earlier. I see that Earlier my one Helmet has appears to have a bad TK on it but I see so many other helmets that are all bad also what makes everyone's opinion bad on all TK skulls, If their not to be as notably to be exspected as one wishes as compared to others does it mean their bad? or could they have had different manufactures and made a few a different way? My Question in fact is on my Helmet posted earlier whare did the rest of the Helmet come from? It has the correct front plate? it has a Original Kokade? so why a bad skull? just asking? Whats your opinoion on these ones? Because in fact I will back any of these up with a surprising answer. Lets here what you have to say, Thanks

Gary, can you provide more info on the middle pickelhaube?

 

[Gary Larson]

Gary, can you provide more info on the middle pickelhaube?

It was purchased from a estate sale the man who owned died in a nursing home and the nursing home said he was a vet they contact a dealer friend of mine and offered it to him the found it in the attic of his house when cleaning it for a sale, They had no idea what it was or any value my friend bought it and I bought it from him, That's how I got it