Model 1915 Truppenubungsplatz OR/NCO pickelhaube

Maple Creek

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Here one that I picked up a couple days ago. There are a couple of interesting or unusual things about it.

At first glance it appears to be a standard Model 1895 other ranks pickelhaube. On closer inspection, it turns out to be a Model 1915 pickelhuabe that has been painted to simulate brass trim. The first explanation for this is that it was done post-WWI by a collector and this may well be what it is. On the other hand, the paint appears very old and by appearances at least possibly period done. The helmet was an out-of-the-woodwork find that I got from a non-collector, who in turn got it from an "older gentleman" 45 years ago, which would make that person about the right age to be a US WWI vet. I didn't pay very much for this piece. At any rate, my initial feeling about it is that the repaint was likely period done. I'd welcome opinions and I wonder if anybody has any similar pieces in their collection.

When the seller and I were first communicating about this helmet he told me that his impression was that the older gentleman had told him that this came from "some sort of military academy." This didn't really sound right to me, so I dismissed this bit of information. When I had the helmet in hand, however, I could make out a the now faint stamp on the cape which included "Tr." According to "Uncle Joe's" very helpful website, this stands for Truppenubungsplatz or training ground, which is close in concept to a military academy. So the sellers recollection was an approximate match with the depot stamps on the cape. Interesting, no?

Mark D.
 
I believe another possibility for the marking "BA8 Tr.A.8" is actually Bekleidungsamt (clothing depot) 8th Army Corps and Train Abteilung 8. On April 1, 1914 the designation of Train Bataillon was changed to Train Abteilung.
Both Bekleidungsamt 8 and Train Abteilung 8 were located in Coblenz.

Reservist1
 
Well the whole training ground/military academy idea could be a red herring... A train unit did occur to me initially, but I didn't see this on Joe's list. If this unit had been in Colbenz, then that would make a lot of sense since US troops occupied this city post-WWI.

What reference sources did you use to get the ID on the depot stamps?

Anybody have an opinion on the repainted trim? Post-WWI enhancement, or period done?

Mark D.
 
Hi, Thanks again for this tip. I went back to Joe's website and found the Train unit stamps, including one that is a dead ringer for the on on my pickelhaube. Now I'm wondering what reference you used to figure out that this train detachment was in Coblenz.

I thought I had identified an interesting connection the training ground/military academy match, but now see that I was off track (no pun intended).

Cheers,

Mark D.

reservist1 said:
I believe another possibility for the marking "BA8 Tr.A.8" is actually Bekleidungsamt (clothing depot) 8th Army Corps and Train Abteilung 8. On April 1, 1914 the designation of Train Bataillon was changed to Train Abteilung.
Both Bekleidungsamt 8 and Train Abteilung 8 were located in Coblenz.

Reservist1
 
reservist1 said:
See the Train unit markings in the list on "Colonel Joe's" website

This one much easier to use. http://www.kaisersbunker.com/gtp/New/train0.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
I think R1 nailed it early on. Another interesting piece of information about that specific warehouse in Coblenz.

Friday Feb 7, 1919 THE STARS AND STRIPES newspaper, Page 1, Column 1:

"85,750 Shiny Ones on Way to American
Prussian Guards' Helmets will help sale of Liberty Bonds

The doughboy guards at Coblenz who kept the keys to the German warehouses where 85,750 Shiny Prussian Guards helmets were stacked are restored to good nature. They eat normally, and no longer dream of great helmet robbery mysteries. For the helmets are out of their custody at last and on their way back to the States. The warehouse keys arent't needed any longer. The helmets are to be handed out back home to buyers of bonds of the Fight Liberty Loan.
Meanwhile, traders on the AEF souvenir bourse are eagerly watching the tape for the first transatlantic quotation on Helmets.
Word of the 85,750 helmets in one buiding leaped back through the AEF almost before the advance guard of the Third Army settled in Coblenz. Mails from the rear areas of the AEF to the Army of Occupation grew unaccountably large. Every man in the A of O had from six to 60 friends whose latest letters always said after speaking pointedly of lugers and mausers and iron crosses: "And of course I am relying on you to get one of those 85,000 helmets for me."
The pressure of visitors to the warehouse grew so strong that the chief salvage officer at Third Army Headquarters posted a big sign: No More Helmets Given Out." (The citation was found by Keith Gill.)
 
Keep in mind this unit was a Baggage/Supply Unit not Train as in Choo-Choo. I have two one Tr B 8-1915 and a TB 8-1901.
This was explained to by people here awhile back. LOL
Jerry
 
Typical, the guys who were in the trenches wanted a helmet for a keepsake and were told, "Get lost Doughie, we're givin' 'em away to fund the war that YOU fought." They could at least have done a 'one to a customer' handout for the troops first!

:D Ron
 
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