Mützenbänder of Imperial Times

So, I was thinking about the previous postings, and I realized that there was a bit more to share. Remember at the beginning, there was a comment made regarding the different colors of representing different divisions, like Red for Schiffsjungen or cadet.... Well, there was the period just post war where the Reichsmarine decided that they would do away with having the various colors and go just to gold. So Werft, Division, Schule, and even some ships would make that conversion, doing away and getting the new standard of all being gold/yellow constructed. Many of the ships that were kept over and allowed to remain per the stipulation of the Surrender were changed to list their designated name dropping the S.M.S. entirely and adding the classification like the "Kreuzer Berlin".

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In fact, the picture I shared with that particular ship, was after a bow modificaiton post war. There were also some allowances for the adding of Umlauts to the tallies during this time as well. II. KuestenwehrAbteilung 2 different versions.jpeg
These are some examples of the same division with completely different allowed tallies to be labeled. Orders were being prepared, decrees being made on what the script would be for units, it was a mess, but was being worked on.
Oh, If I haven't lost you yet or made you more confused. Well, here's more:
During the time period, there were Mützenbands that were made specifically for ships guests. So for example: S.M.S. Prinzregent Luitpold
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The Bottom one is the one supposidly that was not approved or made for the ships cadre, but for dignitaries or guests. I am still working on my interepretations of what was the policy and the trying to make sense of these discrepancies. From this date, this is my understanding....

Well, It is a fun and rather overlooked area of collecting, meaning you can find a nice ship tally for not too much. ebay.de has several going around.
Well, That's my two cents and my recollection of rationale that was shared by other more experienced collectors than me.
Thanks for checking this very enjoying and rather interesting way to collect the Imperial German Navy.

Best Regards,
JustinG
 
Ik ben net al deze teksten aan het doorlezen, zeer interessante info, dus als ik het goed begrijp zijn alle linten met zigzag letters goed uit die tijd
Dus dat is een voorbeeld van een goed lint, neem ik aan

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I would speculate that the Airship division and Seeflieger divisions would not wear the same Mützenband. The Airship wing of the service was separate and a specialized service to itself. In my understanding, this would likely not be the case, the interchangeability of these two types of units.

Best Regards,
JustinG
 
I wish to share another piece of interest: A consensus from others who have spent much more time in the naval mützenbänder collecting field, perhaps wartime but certainly early Weimar period. This is thought to be a commemorative piece, perhaps for a reunion or something along those lines. It is extremely rare, I haven't experienced another like it yet.
So without further ado..... Marine Luftschiffer Abteilung.

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Best Regards,
JustinG
 
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Here is another version of the Unterseekreuzer=Flottille.

Best Regards and thanks for looking,

JustinG
 

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JustinG said:
Here is another version of the Unterseekreuzer=Flottille.

Best Regards and thanks for looking,

JustinG
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Never seen one of these tallies.

What would the function of someone wearing this tally be? I assume attached to a U-boat flotilla but not serving as a crew member of a working U-boat?
 
So this would be a fleet sailor of enlisted rank (Matrosen, Mannschaften) who would wear this on their Tellermütze. Typically higher ranked individuals would wear schirmmützes. Now, Functionally speaking, the tails would likely be cut on board as they could get snagged. The sailor would typically have two, one long version for ceremonial purposes and one on his hat worn on board (Likely with tails cut down). The gold would be for a full time, active member of the crew and the Kaiserliche Marine. There were two known approved versions. In Post 60 in this thread, I shared my other example. I am not quite sure what else I can add or clarify. Thanks for looking.

Best Regards,
JustinG
 
Anytime that you can't see the full length of a Mützenband or see the reverse side of a band, you need to walk away. There are several forgeries. This seller has a couple of real items but also has some fakes. There never was a Schlachtschiff Tirpitz or Schlachtschiff Bismarck. Scharnhorst is a minefield. There was a really good fake made known as a Belfast Fake. This was tell tale by having one of the legs of the tally be shorter. otherwise, it was such a good copy. (Dangerous). Full length for this one and prefer it to be a metal thread version.
If a seller can't show you the reverse or won't, you need to treat it as a fake.

Here is a seller on ebay.de who has a smattering of good and bad items. It really isn't that hard to tell once you understand the construction on how these were manufactured.

Sicherheitsmaßnahme | eBay

www.ebay.de www.ebay.de

Best Regards,
JustinG
 
Do you know what the difference is between the "Flieger" and the "Landflieger" ?
Thank you in advance ...
 

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