Weird tip Schleswig-Holstein officer 1848
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Kaikun2001
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Here is my Em for reference.
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JPT
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It's very beautiful but this one is a troop helmet
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JPT
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Yes ! on yours the legs with the claws are missing, shame .Merci. La pointe devrait avoir la même forme, sauf que la variante officier avait des étoiles à la base de la pointe.
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Kaikun2001
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GardeUlan
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Good question, which I have asked myself.
I found this picture in an older article about pickelhauben, in which the helmet is described in the end. Both helmets look similar.
Anzeige von Die "Pickelhaube"
journals.ub.uni-heidelberg.de
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Amybellars
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This is my EM version. Again one of of legs is missing and I found a similar "claw" and i am still looking for one of the securing studs for the spike base.
JPT
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yes but it does not refer to the detail of the tipGood question, which I have asked myself.
I found this picture in an older article about pickelhauben, in which the helmet is described in the end. Both helmets look similar.
Anzeige von Die "Pickelhaube"
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GardeUlan
I think the stars are not for this helmet enlisted but for an officer only
JPT
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Thank you ! yes this troop helmet is coherent
GardeUlan
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Are you sure?Thank you JPT,
The cruciform bases for officer's points do indeed have a small edge bead, AND the "0fficier" Perlring. This is true for all spiked helmets (except for the Hesse).
What about Hanover M 1849 helmets?
Königreich Hannover Helm Modell 1849 für einen Offizier im Regiment Kronprinz-Dragoner aus der Zeit des "Deutsch-Dänischen Krieges“ - Hannover - Kaiserreich & Weimarer Rep.: Uniformen, Kopfbedeckungen, Stahlhelme etc. - Militaria / Helmut Weitze
Königreich Hannover Helm Modell 1849 für einen Offizier im Regiment Kronprinz-Dragoner aus der Zeit des "Deutsch-Dänischen Krieges“ - Standorte Osnabrück, Lingen, Quackenbrück, Aurich. Um 1860. Hoher Lederhelm, komplett mit allen Beschlägen.
www.weitze.net
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GardeUlan
GardeUlan
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Unfortunately it’s simply not easy when it comes to the old models.Thank you JPT,
The cruciform bases for officer's points do indeed have a small edge bead, AND the "0fficier" Perlring. This is true for all spiked helmets (except for the Hesse).
Imperial German Army Uniforms 1900-14
Uniform disctinctions of the different units of the Imperial German Army
imperialgermanuniforms.co.uk
Traditions of the Imperial German Infantry Regiments
Book about the Histories and Uniforms of the different units of the Imperial German Army
imperialgermanuniforms.co.uk
JPT
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descriptions are often wrongAre you sure?
What about Hanover M 1849 helmets?
Königreich Hannover Helm Modell 1849 für einen Offizier im Regiment Kronprinz-Dragoner aus der Zeit des "Deutsch-Dänischen Krieges“ - Hannover - Kaiserreich & Weimarer Rep.: Uniformen, Kopfbedeckungen, Stahlhelme etc. - Militaria / Helmut Weitze
Königreich Hannover Helm Modell 1849 für einen Offizier im Regiment Kronprinz-Dragoner aus der Zeit des "Deutsch-Dänischen Krieges“ - Standorte Osnabrück, Lingen, Quackenbrück, Aurich. Um 1860. Hoher Lederhelm, komplett mit allen Beschlägen.
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GardeUlan
Amybellars
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Yap, the old models are very interesting and I did fall in love with them. They are all different and unique.
JPT
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I think is a dragoon troop helmet with a rounded visor Amy
https://www.pickelhaubes.com/xf/attachments/image2-jpg.62845/
CLOVIS 57
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Hello GardeUlan,Are you sure?What about Hanover M 1849 helmets?
Best wishes, GardeUlanKönigreich Hannover Helm Modell 1849 für einen Offizier im Regiment Kronprinz-Dragoner aus der Zeit des "Deutsch-Dänischen Krieges“ - Hannover - Kaiserreich & Weimarer Rep.: Uniformen, Kopfbedeckungen, Stahlhelme etc. - Militaria / Helmut Weitze
Königreich Hannover Helm Modell 1849 für einen Offizier im Regiment Kronprinz-Dragoner aus der Zeit des "Deutsch-Dänischen Krieges“ - Standorte Osnabrück, Lingen, Quackenbrück, Aurich. Um 1860. Hoher Lederhelm, komplett mit allen Beschlägen.
Honestly, not 100% sure but :
---It should be noted that, as a general rule, the ‘Länder’ which adopted the spiked helmet before 1867, adopted the Prussian regulatory “standard” in terms of fittings and construction, as well as the difference in quality, between a ‘Kammer’ helmet and an officer's Extra-Helm.
---Helmut is not a benchmark of expertise. Here, his Hanover M49 has all the appearance of an enlisted Dragon. The perlring is ‘troop’, the point is “troop”, the headdress is ‘troop’ quality, the Landkokarde is troop, etc...
The same ‘troop-officer’ distinction can be found on the spiked helmets of foreign countries such as Sweden or South America...
For comparison, here is a 0fficer quality on an old model:
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Clovis.