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 Post subject: 1st of Hannover Dragoner Regiment #9
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:13 am 
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Enlisted type, despite the name tag for an Unteroffizier

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Great helmet !

Do you have pics of the sideposts/Kokarden.

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Thank you Francis.
Just the regular M95 posts and enlisted type prussian/Reich cockades; nothing special...


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That is a very nice helmet Bruno. Love those Regt markings! :thumb up:

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I was always under the impression that a Fahnenjunker in a dragoon regiment was called a Coranet. This proves otherwise. Perhaps it changed when the language changed? French influence to German influence?

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I was always under the impression that a Fahnenjunker in a dragoon regiment was called a Coranet. This proves otherwise. Perhaps it changed when the language changed? French influence to German influence?


This only applied to muslims, Joe...


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Very impressive helmet!

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nice helmet aspecially with the extra bandeau
the name.tag in it is a nice extra as well to all the markings
now you can dig into it to find out its total history to this man
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That is an incredibly beautiful and rare helmet Bruno, congratulations! :bravo:

The markings are fantastic, and the original owner's label inside is the icing on the cake! =D>

Thanks for sharing photos of it with us! :thumb up:

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Very impressive helmet well done :bravo: .


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A great helmet, rare and in mint condition
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Bruno- that is a great find, love the wappen and name tag. As others said, a great helmet.

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 Post subject: Re: 1st of Hannover Dragoner Regiment #9
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Super fine helmet ! congrads. :thumb up:

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Certainly is a beauty! Thanks for sharing the photos.

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 Post subject: Re: 1st of Hannover Dragoner Regiment #9
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A very rare helmet .
I M O a marked enlisted Dragoon helmet
is harder to find than an officers form the same
regiment. In my collecting of 45 years
I have seen very few marked e m dragoon helmets .
Yours is to a rare regiment .
I have the officers D R 9 but no e m
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 Post subject: Re: 1st of Hannover Dragoner Regiment #9
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We can pretty much date this helmet exactly. Fahnenjunker-Unteroffizier Weichert of Dragoner-Regiment Nr. 9 was promoted to Fähnrich on 22 March 1914 and commissioned as a Leutnant (without Patent) on 10 August 1914. He subsequently received seniority from 20 November 1912 (20.11.12 K). He survived the war and retired as an Oberleutnant a.D.

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Glenn, do you have anything to say about the Fahnenjunker v Coronet comment?

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 Post subject: Re: 1st of Hannover Dragoner Regiment #9
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Joe,

I will need to do a bit of checking but I think you will find that the rank of Cornet disappeared from the Prussian Army following the disasters of 1806 and the subsequent reorganisation of the army. The rank of Cornet was the equivalent Cürassier and Husaren rank of that of Fähnrich, which at the time was the lowest commissioned rank.

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 Post subject: Re: 1st of Hannover Dragoner Regiment #9
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Joe,

as an addition. The Order of 6 August 1808 concerning officer recruitment introduced the rank of Portrpee-Fähnrich as a senior officer aspirant and the previous (commissioned ranks of Fähnrich and Cornett were discontinued. Here is a page from the 1806 Prussian Army Rangliste showing the junior commissioned officers of Regiment Usedom Husaren Nr. 10. The Dragoons used the rank of Fähnrich.

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Thank you Glenn! Your next mission Mr. Phelps should you decide to accept it is to answer the same question about artillery guys. When did they stop being Stück-Junkers?

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Joe,

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to answer the same question about artillery guys. When did they stop being Stück-Junkers?


At the same time as above; following the reorganisation of the "old Army".

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 Post subject: Re: 1st of Hannover Dragoner Regiment #9
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Glennj wrote:
We can pretty much date this helmet exactly. Fahnenjunker-Unteroffizier Weichert of Dragoner-Regiment Nr. 9 was promoted to Fähnrich on 22 March 1914 and commissioned as a Leutnant (without Patent) on 10 August 1914. He subsequently received seniority from 20 November 1912 (20.11.12 K). He survived the war and retired as an Oberleutnant a.D.

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I had missed this, Glenn. I cannot believe you managed to trace Herr Weichert back to 1914!! This is amazing. Thank you so much.
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That is astounding. I have never seen another issued example like this, and the condition is equally amazing. A dream Dragoner helmet. Makes my brain hurt that is so rare :shaking:

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This helmet, it's condition and identification of its owner is just amazing, fantastic....whatever adjective you can think of!! I think of the cloth ID tag...animal based glue, lasting for that long, just so hard to believe!!! Kudos to Glenn as well, man...we give you a name and it's like dealing with Sherlock Holmes, you track him down. :thumb up:

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Kudos to Glenn as well, man...we give you a name and it's like dealing with Sherlock Holmes, you track him down. :thumb up:


:thumb up: True that and a nice guy too!

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I read this topic very lately...

Glenn could start the story of the wearer. Here is the end.

Felix Weichert, Leutnant at the 4/DR9, born a 28.8. in Berlin, has been taken prisoner August 1915.

http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/1863810

He came back from captivity very early, April 1918. Very uncommon (maybe heavy disease...)

http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/2999528

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