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 Post subject: Info Needed On Saxon Ersatz Tin
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:19 am 
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Hey Guys,

I got this tin about 20 years ago .

I am pretty sure that it has been repainted and I have posted a picture of it here but that is long gone because of the photobucket debacle.

Somebody here said that it has a French liner in it.

Did anybody make repos of these tins ?

Is this one of those ?

The spike, wappen and posts are original .

I am wondering if the helmet is too or is that a repo ?

I think that I paid about $250 back then knowing that very well may have been a repaint .

Any info is welcomed .

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 Post subject: Re: Info Needed On Saxon Ersatz Tin
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:46 pm 
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Is there something stamped or painted on the back underside of the helmet?


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 Post subject: Re: Info Needed On Saxon Ersatz Tin
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:11 pm 
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To me looks like there is a stamp on the rear visor, top line appears to be "A. Karl Baher". There is a second line (not fully visible) all in a box. There also appears to a "U" stamped in the boxes upper right corner.
If stamp is correct that may rule out repaint. I have helmets that I owned for over 40 years and never noticed markings on them until I looked at them in a photo.


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 Post subject: Re: Info Needed On Saxon Ersatz Tin
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:46 pm 
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Hey Pickelhauben, could we see a clear picture of the stamp on the back?


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 Post subject: Re: Info Needed On Saxon Ersatz Tin
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:31 pm 
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I believe that this helmet is good. The paint may, or may not, be original but it appears to be the correct color. These helmets had slits in the front for the Wappen, and not circular holes, so that is correct. The liner does appear to have been replaced and the rivets look odd, but other than that it appears to be a nice example.
Comparing it to mine would probably not be the best way to help validate it. Mine is pretty beat up and can be viewed here:

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10882

The best example is the one on Tony's website, here:

http://www.kaisersbunker.com/feldgrau/helmets/fgh06.htm

The real truth teller is whether or not it has the "circular" pattern Tony describes, where the helmet looks like it has been turned on a lathe.

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 Post subject: Re: Info Needed On Saxon Ersatz Tin
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:04 am 
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I have a Prussian one like Tony’s in very good condition. In all the examples I have seen or handled, the liner is undyed not black and certainly no grommets in the tongues. In addition, unlike undyed liners in M15 leather helmets the liner fingers are wider and more rounded. You can see this on Tony’s helmet....those fingers are different than those of a pickelhaube. As mentioned, mine has the so called lathe marks in the metal as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Info Needed On Saxon Ersatz Tin
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:19 am 
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Here are some shots of a good one from my collection

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:49 pm 
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Some pics of my Ersatz tin. Obviously the same manufacturer and construction process. Mine however has chemically darkened brass fittings. My spike is an M95 while James' helmet has an M15 painted feldgrau. The liners are the same and again, I want you to note the difference between this style and the usual pickelhaube liner...the fingers are wider and the liner is not dyed black. James's helmet has much better markings than mine, size wise, the only thing I have left is "1/2" which is ink stamped on the liner. This does tell us though that these liners came in "half" sizes.
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Note...the small cross on the orb of the wappen is missing. The original chin strap is in excellent condition

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The "1/2" which is all that remains of the size stamp.

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 Post subject: Re: Info Needed On Saxon Ersatz Tin
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:14 pm 
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These are al very nice helmets and indeed very hard to find or define there originality

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 Post subject: Re: Info Needed On Saxon Ersatz Tin
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Nice helmet Brian, did not know you had that one.

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Thanks James and Jonas. I bought this helmet 20+ years ago from Dave Hiorth, back in the day when he was selling out of a briefcase and there was no store . Of course he now owns Military Antiques Toronto and is doing quite well.

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