M95 Sachsen Leib-Grenadier-Regt. Nr.100
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This is special !
poniatowski
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Karel, BEAUTIFUL helmet! "Finally got lucky".... I think in your case there's more diligence than 'luck' involved! 
Ron
Ron
argonne
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Karel, because private purchase helmet (no regimental stamps), your helmet could even has been worn in all following miscellaneous units too:
- 1. Königl. Sächs. Pionier Bataillon 12 (XII A.K. Pirna)
- 2. Königl. Sächs. Pionier Bataillon 22 (XIX A.K. Riesa)
- 7. and 8. Königl. Sächs. Kompanien Eisenbahnregiment 2 before 30 September 1913 (G.K., Berlin Schöneberg)
- 7. and 8. Königl. Sächs. Kompanien Eisenbahnregiment 1 after 30 September 1913 (G.K., Berlin-Schöneberg)
- Königl. Sächs. Detachement / Vertriebsabteilung der Eisenbahntruppen (G.K. Berlin)
- 3. Königl. Sächs. Kompanie Telegraphen-Bataillon 1 (G.K. Berlin) only between 1899-1907, because after 1907, this Kompanie wore the prussian transmission Tshako with silver saxon wappen and Feldzeichen. TB 1 also had a small saxon detachement in the 4. Kompanie, but this only after 1. October 1911 till October 1913. They also wore the Tschako.
- Königl. Sächs. Detachement in the 2. Kompanie Kraftfahr-Bataillon (G.K. Berlin)
- Königl. Sächs. Detachement Versuchs-Abteilung des Militär-Verkehrswesens (G.K. Berlin)
Philippe
- 1. Königl. Sächs. Pionier Bataillon 12 (XII A.K. Pirna)
- 2. Königl. Sächs. Pionier Bataillon 22 (XIX A.K. Riesa)
- 7. and 8. Königl. Sächs. Kompanien Eisenbahnregiment 2 before 30 September 1913 (G.K., Berlin Schöneberg)
- 7. and 8. Königl. Sächs. Kompanien Eisenbahnregiment 1 after 30 September 1913 (G.K., Berlin-Schöneberg)
- Königl. Sächs. Detachement / Vertriebsabteilung der Eisenbahntruppen (G.K. Berlin)
- 3. Königl. Sächs. Kompanie Telegraphen-Bataillon 1 (G.K. Berlin) only between 1899-1907, because after 1907, this Kompanie wore the prussian transmission Tshako with silver saxon wappen and Feldzeichen. TB 1 also had a small saxon detachement in the 4. Kompanie, but this only after 1. October 1911 till October 1913. They also wore the Tschako.
- Königl. Sächs. Detachement in the 2. Kompanie Kraftfahr-Bataillon (G.K. Berlin)
- Königl. Sächs. Detachement Versuchs-Abteilung des Militär-Verkehrswesens (G.K. Berlin)
Philippe
argonne
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Karel, I am afraid I must confess I only own good old german books from this period... The most work is searching for informations and comparing them.
By the way, I forgot a small unit, in which such a helmet could also have been worn...
: The "Kadetten-Korps" in Dresden.
Philippe :salute:
By the way, I forgot a small unit, in which such a helmet could also have been worn...
: The "Kadetten-Korps" in Dresden.
Philippe :salute:
Adler
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Thanks again for your comments gentlemen!
And for Ron and Edwin... no [-X , I have still more helmets on my list than 15 years ago :-" That's the problem, one always raises the bar and when you have reached a dream, the next one is there #-o ...
Thanks for the additional info Philippe! =D>
Adler
And for Ron and Edwin... no [-X , I have still more helmets on my list than 15 years ago :-" That's the problem, one always raises the bar and when you have reached a dream, the next one is there #-o ...
Thanks for the additional info Philippe! =D>
Adler
RON
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Hey Karel, I guess this would mean you'd need a bigger attic/home?
You're the kind of people who will be praised in years from now for having collected (thus preserved and cared for) so many great pieces of history that are already quite rare (and alas expensive/unreachable) today.
One day if I'm in Belgium visiting my cousins, I hope you could give me a tour? (I promise I won't drool much =P~ )
You're the kind of people who will be praised in years from now for having collected (thus preserved and cared for) so many great pieces of history that are already quite rare (and alas expensive/unreachable) today.
One day if I'm in Belgium visiting my cousins, I hope you could give me a tour? (I promise I won't drool much =P~ )
argonne
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Hmm, Belgium is not so far away from Hamburg......Ron, if you are visiting your cousins there and maybe then Karel too, just tell me before, I would come too
I would even be ready to pay entry to visit Karel´s Blockhaus!!!!
Come on Gents out there, if we can manage 10 persons, we could maybe get a group ticket!!
I would supply german beer!!! :wink:
Philippe :salute:
I would even be ready to pay entry to visit Karel´s Blockhaus!!!!
Come on Gents out there, if we can manage 10 persons, we could maybe get a group ticket!!
I would supply german beer!!! :wink:
Philippe :salute:
joerookery
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Do you actually have a picture of one of these being worn? This raises my eyebrows a little bit because the Prussian schools of the same level did not wear helmets. But I have seen a cartoon drawing of the helmet attributed to these guys.
Nice job Karel! I vote for the tour but you have to make your attic wheelchair accessible. So keep that in mind as you continue to collect things!
argonne
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Joe,
I only have the following link of a dealer who is actually selling such a weel marked Haube of the KK.
Look at this:
http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.patina-ritscher.com/produktbilder/1265102882-0-v.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.patina-ritscher.com/site/helme.php&usg=__FzR3f1w0n424pisJwaqupcACZao=&h=60&w=80&sz=3&hl=de&start=80&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=IsJ7lge9fGwjhM:&tbnh=56&tbnw=74&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dw%25C3%25BCrttembergische%2Bfeldartillerie%26start%3D60%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dde%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1R2GCNV_de%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I only have the following link of a dealer who is actually selling such a weel marked Haube of the KK.
Look at this:
http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.patina-ritscher.com/produktbilder/1265102882-0-v.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.patina-ritscher.com/site/helme.php&usg=__FzR3f1w0n424pisJwaqupcACZao=&h=60&w=80&sz=3&hl=de&start=80&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=IsJ7lge9fGwjhM:&tbnh=56&tbnw=74&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dw%25C3%25BCrttembergische%2Bfeldartillerie%26start%3D60%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dde%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1R2GCNV_de%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
joerookery
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Thank you very very much for that. The example however, does not convince me at all. There are many ways to poke holes in that one and it is not stamped. It is a private purchase helmet not an issued helmet. I have much to learn about that cadet school. I keep finding things about Saxon NCO academies but no information on the Cadet Academy.
Joe,
unlike the Prussian organisation, the Saxon Kadettenkorps was not divided into lower and main schools, just the one two company strength school in Dresden commanded by a field grade officer with an adjutant and two company commanders. Additional officer personnel in the strength in 1914 of 3 military subject instructors, eight officer instructors and three attached officers were available.
Regards
Glenn
unlike the Prussian organisation, the Saxon Kadettenkorps was not divided into lower and main schools, just the one two company strength school in Dresden commanded by a field grade officer with an adjutant and two company commanders. Additional officer personnel in the strength in 1914 of 3 military subject instructors, eight officer instructors and three attached officers were available.
Regards
Glenn
argonne
Well-known member
Joe,
if you closely look at the pictures of this helmet, you will see that there are some stamps on the back visor, reading: KK 1895 and 3.Kp. III ( Kadetten Korps, 3. Kompanie, Garnitur III). I am even not sure if there is another stamp under the "3"....
I agree with you, this example is a private purchased one and it has some questions to be answered....Joe, did you already see in the past some stamped private purchased helmets? I really don´t understand the cockades too, but maybe there is a logical explanation there (only my opinion!!!).
This helmet has been first worn before 1897. The fact that there is no Reichskokarde is logical. The saxon Kokarde is worn on the left side and it seems that on the right side there is a Baden Kokarde !!! Could it be an explanation, that the wearer was an instructor coming from Baden?? The dealer is writing this is an Unteroffizier helmet.(with or without portepee?).
What pattern are those cockades? They seem to be larger than common EM cokades at this time, but they don´t have the single silver ring for Unteroffizier with Portepee.
Maybe this only was an Unteroffizier/Corporal (rank between Gefreiter and Sergeant) that made the instruction of Kadetten at the Akademie. How about if Kadetten did not wore the Pickelhaube (as the prussian Kadetten), but the Akademie instructors did that ???? (Don´t blame me please, just a though!).
Glenn, I just read your post....Hmmm, only officer instructors at this Dresden Kadetten Korps???? No lower rank Unteroffiziere and Portepee Unteroffiziere as instructor???
Philippe
if you closely look at the pictures of this helmet, you will see that there are some stamps on the back visor, reading: KK 1895 and 3.Kp. III ( Kadetten Korps, 3. Kompanie, Garnitur III). I am even not sure if there is another stamp under the "3"....
I agree with you, this example is a private purchased one and it has some questions to be answered....Joe, did you already see in the past some stamped private purchased helmets? I really don´t understand the cockades too, but maybe there is a logical explanation there (only my opinion!!!).
This helmet has been first worn before 1897. The fact that there is no Reichskokarde is logical. The saxon Kokarde is worn on the left side and it seems that on the right side there is a Baden Kokarde !!! Could it be an explanation, that the wearer was an instructor coming from Baden?? The dealer is writing this is an Unteroffizier helmet.(with or without portepee?).
What pattern are those cockades? They seem to be larger than common EM cokades at this time, but they don´t have the single silver ring for Unteroffizier with Portepee.
Maybe this only was an Unteroffizier/Corporal (rank between Gefreiter and Sergeant) that made the instruction of Kadetten at the Akademie. How about if Kadetten did not wore the Pickelhaube (as the prussian Kadetten), but the Akademie instructors did that ???? (Don´t blame me please, just a though!).
Glenn, I just read your post....Hmmm, only officer instructors at this Dresden Kadetten Korps???? No lower rank Unteroffiziere and Portepee Unteroffiziere as instructor???
Philippe